More servicesWindows Live
HomeHotmailSpacesOneCare
 
MSN
Sign in
 
 
Spaces home  Andrew C Bain's spaceProfileFriendsBlogMore Tools Explore the Spaces community

Andrew C Bain's space

No list items have been added yet.
May 14

RC Sproul is an Agnostic - "God's existence uncertain"

 
 

John Piper says to listen to your screaming inner voice

 
 

How to pervert the Gospel


A Dialogue...


Old Believer -     So I hear you're going to become a pastor.

Young man -     Yes, that's right! I am.

Old Believer -     And may I ask -- what exactly are you going to preach?

Young man -     The Gospel, of course!

Old Believer -     The Gospel? You are a fool, young man. If you do so, you will preach to empty pews.

Young man -     Really? John Piper preaches the Gospel, and he has a very large and respectable congregation. Everyone agrees that he preaches the Gospel. So even though he preaches the Gospel, he's still really popular.

Old Believer -     Are you sure Piper is actually preaching the Gospel? I mean, the Apostles preached "the truth as it is in Jesus" (Eph 4:21) -- they proclaimed the pure simple truth -- and they were not popular.

Young man -     Hmm. Then what do you think I should do? Your comments -- I must admit -- have rather confused me.

Old Believer -     Oh! Your question is easy to answer -- Preach something extremely similar to the gospel. The more similar to it, the better. Do everything possible to stir up your followers. And then present to them something that appears to give peace to their guilty consciences. In other words, after you alarm them then speak of the righteousness of Christ, dwell on the value of his atoning blood and magnify the riches of his free grace. And do this as much as you like.

But make sure you do not stop here.

Along with these doctrines you must slip in hints, that something is required to be done by the creature before he can be assured of his salvation. Let your followers know, that despite of what you said about Christ having "finished salvation", that something must be done by them in order for them to know they are objects of his love. Preach that, "Eternal life is not just knowing some facts about our future, as precious as those facts may be. ... It consists in possessing an intimate personal relationship with the Creator and Redeemer of the world. ... To be certain of eternal life means to be certain of an INTIMATE  personal relationship with the Father. And if we have a personal relationship with the Father, then we know that he hears us when we pray according to his will."{1} This way the ground of their confidence is not "the light shining into their heart" (2 Cor 4:6), rather their hope will be based on how sincerely and humbly (how "intimately") they can "walk with God".

Of course, your followers will be left wondering, "Am I sincere enough? And am I truly humble enough?" So you must convince them to be satisfied with the up-and-down confidence that will be tied to their fluctuating intimacy and humility. Preach that, "demand for a kind of absolute, mathematical certainty about [your] right standing with God is asking for too much."{2}. And to justify this, ignore the fact that the Apostles said the Psalms are about Christ alone. Instead, pretend that Psalms like "your wrath lies hard on me" (P88:7) describe the experience of believers. This way they'll believe you when you preach, "God has his reasons why he should leave one of his children feeling so forsaken" {3} If you do this (and assuming you possess a popular personality), you will satisfy your hearers and gain a strong power over their affections.

But beware! Since you value your influence over the people, be careful of saying that the work of salvation is completed by the Son of God himself without reference to any thought, feeling or act on the part of the creature. Be very careful of saying that the believer is assured of his salvation solely by the manifestation of the truth in his conscience. Don't say that faith is simply a passive certainty about the everlasting righteousness without any emotions or commitment.

Because if you say that nothing is required from a man for him to be assured of his salvation, you leave your followers nothing to do in the matter of salvation. If you say that merely having understood and believed the truth is faith, you will deprive their fleshly consciences of something to do. And while under the natural notions of religion your followers will always delight in building their assurance of salvation upon their own sincerity.

So -- Preach a mixed Gospel. Appear to magnify Christ, but in reality magnify the creature by listing things he must do to be assured he is saved. Make sure they base their assurance on their own humility, not on the truth in them. Tell them, "the evidence that the Holy Spirit presents to our own spirits and to the community is first of all the evidence of love. The Spirit puts within us a HUMBLE HEART of love and so gives EVIDENCE of his presence and power..." {4} Make sure it's their own love and humility, not the doctrine of the Gospel in them that will assure them they are saved.

Instead of leading the creature to glory in Christ alone, make him glory in himself. And that way you sneakily set aside the finished salvation of Christ, by causing the creature to suspect that in one way or another he must become his own savior. In his way, you flatter the human pride and have your followers under your power (it so happens that mankind in religious matters love to be deceived, Jeremiah 5:31).

Now, once your followers believe that faith = sincerity, they will never be infallibly assured of their salvation. Since faith = sincerity, when they are less sincere, they will lose their assurance of salvation. "Assurance will diminish in the presence of concealed sin...We must often wait patiently for the return of assurance." {5} And since their assurance depends on their affections (and you control their affections through the power of your personality in your preaching), you will have them surely under your power.  Of course, you will need sensitivity and talent to manage all this. But after it is well executed, you will be a popular pastor.

{1} www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/
1985/494_Our_Father_Hears_Us/

{2}  When I Don't Desire God, p217-218

{3} When I Don't Desire God, p232

{4} www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/1985/
488_Test_the_Spirits_to_See_Whether_They_are_of_God/  

{5} www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TasteAndSee/ByDate/
1999/1134_Helping_People_Have_the_Assurance_of_Salvation/

Inconsistent Calvinists


How often do you hear this ...

"We are in the light as believers. But are there not clouds that hide the complete view of our salvation from us at times? Does God ever use our human doubt to strengthen our spiritual dependance upon Him and His promises? But do not look down upon your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that are experiencing a sin in their life that causes them to not see clearly their savior." (Ethan Beckler, U-Illinois)

"I never doubt my salvation anymore. But I will admit that when I was young in Christ there were times when I wondered." (Josiah Burke, Hawaii)

My response: Hmmm.... Thanks for your comments guys. But the Bible defines a believer as someone with same assurance and confidence as the Apostles (2 Pet 1:1).

NASB: Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ

KJV: Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Now, Doubting Calvinists say that believers today can doubt their salvation. Yet, the Bible says believers have the same assurance as the Apostles.

No offence, but this puts you guys in a sort of dilemma =) A catch-22.

Either you have to say…

1) We can doubt our salvation even though we have the faith of the Apostles. Because the Apostles also doubted their salvation.
...or...
2) We can doubt our salvation even though the Apostles did not. Because we don't have the faith of the Apostles.

Point 1) goes against the whole New Testament, as the Apostles never doubted their salvation. (Show me where the Apostles doubted! The disciples did .. but that was before the Resurrection ... see http://Godnoliar.com/john_the_baptist.htm ) The Aposltes NEVER doubted! You will not find a single example!

And Point 2) contradicts 2 Pet 1:1 which says believers have the faith of the Apostles.

OK! Hope that made sense…

I wonder... do you guys say that 1) the Apostles doubted their salvation and thus we can? Or, are you conceding that you think believers today do NOT have the faith of the Apostles (since the Apostles did not doubt, but "believers" today do)

OK... hope to hear your response to that! =)

Now, I want to point out a comment made by someone that I totally agree with. They wrote me,

"In the end it is only the grace of God that saves us, and it is only the Holy Spirit that assures us of our salvation."

My comment: OK!! So we agree that Holy Spirit assures believers the Gospel is true. And since the Gospel says "everyone believing is justified", the moment the Spirit convicts you of the Gospel, you are infallibly assured of your salvation. You simply can't believe the Gospel without realizing you are justified, can you? Because God has eternally joined together belief with justification =)

And there are some verses of Scripture screaming out on this point. John 4:14 says that "believers never thirst" because they have a "well of water springing up in them unto everlasting life". So the work of the Spirit is to annihilate doubting so that believers never thirst for justification.

Maybe you could also look at Hebrews 11:3. "By faith we understand the worlds were framed by the Word of God." So, it's a man's belief in the Gospel, that proves to Him God exists. There's no way we could know there is a Just God and Savior who created the worlds, unless we understand Christ's person and work.

Now, a man's belief in the Gospel not only proves to the man that God exists. Paul also said we are to have "peace and joy in believing" (Romans 15:13). So belief in the Gospel is the way a man knows he is saved. (The way he has peace, joy and assurance).

This means that understanding Gospel not only proves 1) that God exists, it also proves to me I am saved. So the evidence to me that the Bible is the Word of God is the same evidence to me that I'm saved. That is, the proof the Bible is the word of God is the authority of God stamped in the Gospel. But the Gospel in me is also the proof I am saved, so you I can't call in question my salvation without calling in question God's authority itself !

Can you see why John says "the one not believing God has called Him a liar" (1 Jn 5:10) ? Indeed, "this is the testimony -- God has given US [believers] everlasting life". So anyone who doubts they are saved, doubts the testimony, and calls God a liar.

Sobering stuff indeed!

Psalms are NOT about David's experiences


Imagine...

A preacher gets up in the pulpit and reads the parable of the sowers. He reflects upon the context of this passage and he also talks about the Jewish agricultural customs in Christ's day. Then based on his grammatical-historical analysis, the preacher concludes by listing what he think the "soils" and "seed" might represent.

Did you notice something? The preacher never looked at Christ's infallible interpretation of the parable.

And what would you think of this preacher? Most people would accuse him of "exalting himself above Christ". This is true -- the preacher is ignoring Christ's interpretation, and exalting his own methods and ideas above Christ's.

Now, think about the Psalms.

Why is it OK for preachers to interpret the PSALMS (without looking at Christ and the Apostle's interpretation of the Psalms)?

Christ and the Apostles applied at least 30 Psalms to Christ. So isn't your preacher "exalting himself above Christ" when he says a Psalm is describing DAVID, when Christ said the Psalm was describing HIMSELF ALONE?

Introducing...

The Psalms Challenge

"to prove that none of the Psalms are about David's personal experiences"

http://psalms.pbwiki.com

View more entries
 
Thanks for visiting!