Profil de Andrew C BainAndrew C Bain's spaceBlogListesLivre d'or Outils Aide

Blog


14 mai

Good People go to Hell

Everything an unbeliever does is sinful, right? (Heb 11:6).

An unbeliever's "prayers", "seeking", "repentance" and "turning from sin" -- all these things are sin (Rom 10:14). In fact, all their feelings of "remorse", "regret", "guilt", "sorrow" must be sin. Any attempt to be "humble" or "sincerely turn from sin", is in fact sin. Because all the unbeliever's works are works of unbelief. If they try to be sincerely "seeking salvation", it's because they don't think Christ was sincere enough. By "seeking faith in order to be saved", an unbeliever shows they think they are capable to "finishing off" what Christ "failed" to do.

Scary, huh? Especially when you hear ministers (not of Christ) telling unbelievers to pray. Because everything an unbeliever does is sin, that means that praying will only serve to increase the unbeliever's sin (condemnation). In fact, every attempt by an unbeliever to "stop sinning" only increases their condemnation.

Take for example an unbeliever called John. Now, imagine a preacher told John to "seek after faith" in order to be saved. And suppose John follows the preacher's advice and tries hard to stop sinning, he prays, sings hymns, tries to be convicted by preaching, seeks to be around church members. But remember, he's doing all these things "in order to be saved".

In other words, the preacher has lead John to believe salvation by works. Every work John does of "seeking salvation" is actually an attempt to make himself better than other men (as if just being better than other corrupt people is enough to make the perfect God of the Bible pleased with you !).

In summary
1) regarding unbelievers -- all their "seeking", all attempts to "stop sinning", to "prayer" and all feelings of "remorse" -- all these things are sin (Heb 11:6, Rom 14:23).

2) in fact, any attempt by an unbeliever to "seek salvation" will only increase the damnation of an unbeliever. For example, any attempt by an unbeliever to "humble" himself and "seek faith" shows that this unbeliever thinks Christ's work was incomplete and insufficient. By thinking that humility is a requirement for salvation, the unbeliever is showing he thinks something is required of him ON TOP of the work of Christ. He might as well say "Christ died in vain".

3) popular preachers who tell unbelievers to "become humble" and "seek faith", are saying that Christ didn't do enough, and men need to add to the work of Christ in order to be saved.

"whatever is not of faith is sin." (Rom 14:23)

"without faith it is impossible to please God" (Heb 11:6)

EXTRA -- Discussion with Tad (a Calvinist from GA).


Tad wrote me,

"What we must do is love the sinner and despise the sin ..only encourage .. ask them to pray .. look into scripture .. 'seek and ye sha'll find'. im speaking of the seeker . someone is at the end of their road and calling out to God ( you may call it prayer or a "cry" ). I'm not speaking of an individual who claims to be 'spiritual' .. i'm speaking of someone who is actively reading the Scripture .. and seeking to know God , as only as allows ."



My response:

G'day Tad!

Thanks for your msg.

I assume we both agree that an unbeliever's prayer is sin? "Those in the flesh cannot please God" (Rom 8:8). Prayers of unbelievers do not please God, because unbelievers always pray "to the god of this world ... who rules in their hearts ... their father is the devil" (John 8:44 etc).

So when an unbeliever prays, he's praying to the devil. If he prays "for faith", his prayer (by definition) is a work of unbelief. If he "seeks to become spiritual", then it logically follows that his seeking is a lust of the flesh (since he admits he is not of the Spirit when he "seeks" to become spiritual).

So you are telling unbelievers to sin, right? Because an unbeliever's pray = sin. In fact, you're telling unbelievers to pray to the devil. "The Gentiles sacrifice to devils". (1 Cor 10:20). In other words, when an unbeliever prays, he is always praying to a devil (a god of his own mind).

The apostles on the other hand told men to pray "with faith, not wavering" (James 1). They told men TO BELIEVE and commanded unbelievers to obey the whole Law WITH FAITH. They did NOT tell men to "pray for faith", since a prayer for faith, must always (by definition) be a prayer of unbelief.

You will never find them telling men *how* to become a believer or how to be converted. That would be as ridiculous as telling an animal how to become a believer! (Unbelievers are "brute beasts", Jude 1:10)

Oh... I forgot something.

Tad - Do you think prayer is a requirement in order to be saved?

If no, then why do you tell unbelievers to pray BEFORE salvation? If prayer is NOT required for salvation, then why should they bother?

I suspect you think prayer is a requirement for salvation....(That's why you tell unbelievers to do it, in order to be saved)

Romans 10: 20 But Isaiah  is very bold and says, "I was found by those not seeking Me; I became known to those not inquiring after Me." Quoting Isa. 65:1

Isaiah 30: 21 And your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, This is the way, walk in it, when you go right, or when you go left.

Commentaires

Veuillez patienter...
Le commentaire entré est trop long. Raccourcissez-le.
Vous n'avez rien entré. Réessayez.
Il est actuellement impossible d'ajouter votre commentaire. Réessayez plus tard.
Pour ajouter un commentaire, tu dois avoir l'autorisation de tes parents. Demander l'autorisation
Tes parents ont désactivé les commentaires.
Il est actuellement impossible de supprimer votre commentaire. Réessayez plus tard.
Vous avez dépassé le nombre maximal de commentaires qu'il est possible d'envoyer le même jour. Réessayez dans 24 heures.
Votre compte a pu laisser les commentaires désactivés parce que nos systèmes indiquent que vous risquez d'arroser d'autres utilisateurs de messages. Si vous pensez que votre compte a été désactivé par erreur, contactez l'assistance en ligne de Windows Live.
Effectuez la vérification de sécurité ci-dessous pour finaliser l'envoi de votre commentaire.
Les caractères entrés pour la vérification de sécurité doivent correspondre à ceux de l'image ou du fichier audio.

Pour ajouter un commentaire, connectez-vous avec votre identifiant Windows Live ID (si vous utilisez Messenger ou Xbox LIVE, vous avez un identifiant Windows Live ID). Connectez-vous


Vous n'avez pas d'identifiant Windows Live ID ? Inscrivez-vous

Rétroliens

L'URL de rétrolien de ce billet est :
http://acbain.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A9E04F7565EBB183!113.trak
Blogs Web qui font référence à ce billet
  • Aucune